One of the most significant podcasts of the year, with powerful insights flowing out
Lex Fridman’s over 4-hour conversation with Telegram founder Pavel Durov (@durov):
"This is one of the most brilliant and impactful conversations of my life."
The two discussed a wide range of topics, from Durov's philosophy of freedom to government bureaucracy, intelligence agencies, human nature, mathematics, cryptocurrency, great engineering and design, education, family, and his life philosophy.
Durov insists on doing 300 push-ups and 300 squats every day...
not to change his body or gain muscle, but for strict self-discipline,
which is one of the biggest quotes from the interview.
Timestamps:
0:00 - Introduction
3:07 - Philosophy of Freedom
6:15 - Abstaining from Alcohol
14:20 - No Phones
20:16 - Discipline
41:28 - Telegram: Lean Philosophy, Privacy, and Geopolitics
56:50 - Arrested in France
1:13:01 - Romanian Elections
1:23:56 - Power and Corruption
1:33:29 - Strengthening Education
1:45:29 - Nikolai Durov
1:49:58 - Programming and Video Games
1:54:11 - The Origins of VK and Engineering
2:11:24 - Hiring a Great Team
2:20:40 - Telegram Engineering and Design
2:39:42 - Cryptocurrency
2:44:39 - Open Source
2:49:26 - Edward Snowden
2:51:58 - Intelligence Agencies
2:53:10 - Pressure from Iran and the Russian Government
2:56:19 - Apple
3:03:16 - Poisoning
3:29:28 - Elon Musk
3:35:31 - Money
3:44:23 - TON
3:54:13 - Bitcoin
3:57:12 - The Dilemma of Two Chairs
4:03:52 - Children
4:15:02 - Father
4:19:33 - Quantum Immortality
4:26:05 - Kafka
Here's my 4+ hour conversation with Pavel Durov (@durov), founder and CEO of Telegram. This was one of the most fascinating and powerful conversations I've ever had in my life.
We discuss everything from his philosophy on freedom to government bureaucracies, intelligence agencies, human nature, mathematics, encryption, great engineering & design, education, family, and his philosophy on life.
It's here on X in full and is up everywhere else (see comment). It is translated and dubbed into Russian, Ukrainian, French, and Hindi.
Timestamps:
0:00 - Introduction
3:07 - Philosophy of freedom
6:15 - No alcohol
14:20 - No phone
20:16 - Discipline
41:28 - Telegram: Lean philosophy, privacy, and geopolitics
56:50 - Arrest in France
1:13:01 - Romanian elections
1:23:56 - Power and corruption
1:33:29 - Intense education
1:45:29 - Nikolai Durov
1:49:58 - Programming and video games
1:54:11 - VK origins & engineering
2:11:24 - Hiring a great team
2:20:40 - Telegram engineering & design
2:39:42 - Encryption
2:44:39 - Open source
2:49:26 - Edward Snowden
2:51:58 - Intelligence agencies
2:53:10 - Iran and Russia government pressure
2:56:19 - Apple
3:03:16 - Poisoning
3:29:28 - Elon Musk
3:35:31 - Money
3:44:23 - TON
3:54:13 - Bitcoin
3:57:12 - Two chairs dilemma
4:03:52 - Children
4:15:02 - Father
4:19:33 - Quantum immortality
4:26:05 - Kafka
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